390 Quick Answers 26 January

Although today was the last day that you could receive _credit_ for asking about the course, it is always good for you to ask me any questions about the class.  You may do this in many different ways.  You may add it to your reactions (but not one of the ten).  You may send email, visit office hours, or send a feedback message. 

One of the reasons why I do reactions for this class is to hear from _everyone_ not only the people who speak loudest.  Often i hear the most insightful thoughts from the typically “quiet” students.  I appreciate that.  I also see who is being thoughtful.  You, yes you, be thoughtful. 

I would be overjoyed if anyone ever came to me from this class and said "we talked about this in class, and I just want to understand it more."  My joy would largely come from the pure interest in learning.  Maybe some day …


Lecture Reactions

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Hold on to your hats, there’s going to be vast amount of information here in this course.  Take what you like.  There is much to choose from.  What I said in class applies to both reading and lecture - take what you like, what may be useful to you in any way.  Beside that, for the course, a timeline of who, what, where, when along with some classifications by themes would be great. 

For the exams you will _not_ have references with you.  You will thoughtfully and carefully plan your answers in advance, but you will not have those references with you.  What do you need to take away for the things that you will need to know?  For your topics you will need to know who, what, where, and when (usually quite vaguely, at this point maybe to the nearest 500 years will do).  I will present lots and lots of mathematical explanations and justifications.  I will _never_ ask you to repeat them.  You will need to present your own mathematical explanations and justifications in your research paper, but not of the material that I do.  You are responsible for the topics you choose, not for everything.  For now, relax, learn, enjoy the freedom of learning, do your reactions, and keep a good timeline. 



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Accolades:  I feel I didn't do a very good job at lecture - I _will_ do better, probably today because the standard is low.  Bah, ignore that, but … despite that, as a class you inspired a nice collection of quick answers here.  Good job!

Math is different from science because of proof. 

The Rosetta Stone was writing about an event that they believed was so important that it deserved to be written in all three scripts ("a decree that says priest of a temple in Memphis support the reign of 13-year old Ptolemy V, on the first anniversary of his coronation").  There is no mathematics (aside from numbers) in the Rosetta Stone.  

We have a difficult time knowing motivation for such ancient work.  Surely some of it was practical and some of it was exploratory speculation. 

Ownership and claims of creation definitely were not considered for a very long time.  Would different cultures compete for claims to discovery?  At this point, different cultures don't really interact much, but probably not.  They'd be happy to take from each other when they did. 

I love when you teach me things ""I looked up the others mentioned, and the Moscow Papyrus was also around 18 feet, and the Reisner was about 11 feet."  I thought the Ah-mose papyrus was unusually long.  Apparently I was wrong.  Cool.  Being wrong is fun. 

A trapezoidal prism is a particular kind of frustum, the kind that the Egyptians worked with.  A truncated cone is also called a frustum.  

It will be about 3000 years after the Egyptian circle before people start explicitly thinking about the constant that we now call π.  The circle area formula is what the Egyptians discovered to work best.  And, it's quite impressive. 

16 1/2 1/8 = 16 + 1/2 + 1/8 and it wasn't simplified because of the fixation on unit fractions. 

False position is intentionally a two step process, it is not successive approximation.  It is intentionally using an easy number and then fixing the result once.  We will see it again today. 

We'll talk about the time when people start operating with zero.  It's a while to come … (millennia). 

The process of interpreting mathematical documents is sometimes quite laborious.  The first question is realising that it _is_ mathematics.  The second question is to understand _what_ mathematics.  After those two steps - we are helped by knowing the order of mathematics, so we know what to look for. 

The sharing bread problem is perhaps the oldest example of an artificial word problem.  We see in the most ancient of cultures mathematics done because if it interesting not necessarily because it is useful.  If you’re going to ask for everything we study “why is this useful?” this will be a long semester.    The flip side is that Jeff talks about a lot of history.  Asking for each of them “what does this have to do with mathematics?” will also get tedious.  Learn for the sake of learning, please.  Put down your barriers of resistance.  Jeff and I appreciate context.  We like stories, we like knowing other things that are going on that is interesting.  We have broad and wide ranging interests.  We would hope that you do also, this is the joy of liberal arts education.  So, keep your mind and eyes open and you might learn something surprising. 

Oh, this is important in two directions.  Cultural contact happens when they interact.  Mostly this is rare at this point in history.  When it happens it is noteworthy, but generally it isn’t happening.  It takes long time and geographic proximity.  Greco-Romans get some from Egypt and Babylon in the time that passes between, Indian and Chinese are both pretty isolated.  The first with significant incorporation of many cultures are the Islamic Empire, and that will be a big deal when we get there. 


Reading Reactions

By nonlinear problem solved in Egypt (discussed today) we mean that a nonlinear equation was solved. 

Child monarchs do not end in antiquity, here's a 3 year old who became king in 1995, and for that matter Queen Elizabeth was only 25 when she ascended to the throne. 

Nice that someone guessed this - yes, 60 minutes and seconds come from Bablyonian.  I'll say more about this in lecture (so that you can react to it there - this is me being generous).  

The ; and , used in the book (and our translations) are modern and were not evident on the ancient tablets. 

1/18 = 0; 3, 20 because 0 + 3/60 + 20/3600 = 1/18 (check it).  I’ll try to keep this up when I talk about Babylonian numbers.  Yes, this is the first human instance of place value, and that’s a big step. 

Numbers - then and no - are more universal than language.  They are used cross cultures.  They clearly were not as universal then as now. 

Hooray, solar eclipse!  Think about this (and other historical examples you can find) on 8 April. 


Old reaction about the Bablyonian circle:  What Jeff says is C^2/12.  How do we feel about this?  = (2πr)^2/12, if this were the same as πr^2, then π = 3, which is honestly what I would expect from the ancients.  The Egyptians were impressive. 

It’s a valuable and interesting question to ask what cultural differences led to the differences in mathematics for Egyptians and Babylonian.  Egyptians pushed many demands for geometry in their constructions.  Babylonians had a heavily quantified commerce and penal code.  This led to more numeric and hence algebraic work.